optimo home


news
hung-up
echatio
ontour
optimo music
blog
podcasts
gallery who's played nine nine records discography
goodies
shoptimo
faq
where
facebook facebook twitter mailing list press contact
 

WELCOME TO THE OPTIMO (ESPACIO) BULLETIN BOARD - ESTABLISHED 11:11:2000

love is the message
Author Message

<  Echatio  ~  World Cup

Lighting Monkey
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:33 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 820 Location: In the booth
morgy wrote:
I don't think it is ill judged thinking at all.

I'm not anti-South Africa. My argument is solely based on the fact that this is going to be a public health catastrophe. How can you not see that?

40,000 prositutes & 16% of a population with HIV?

To quote someone earlier, GET A GRIP.

I think our priorities are completely eschewed towards how amazing it is that South Africa are hosting this World Cup. When more importantly, there is going to be a huge increase in HIV infections, and that is more important than some football competition.

And the apartheid comments were pretty cheap... Instead of forming a point, you just troll..... where's bobobo?


I've just read the article. It states that as many as 40,000 new prostitutes are expected for the tournament. Mostly from outwith the current South African sex trade.

If you accept that those that would have engaged in paid for sex would have done so regardless of the increase in prostitutes then the chances of HIV spreading have actually been reduced by this influx, making the assumption that a lower percentage of the new sex workers are infected than in SA.

Now add to that the fact that people are generally more aware of how rife HIV is in Africa and that hopefully this will make them more cautious. Then I'd suggest that the increase in HIV is unlikely to be significantly greater (statistically speaking) than if the tournament had been held in any other country.

If subsequent evidence proves me wrong, I'll happily accept you were right.

_________________
Girl: I thought the music would be more adventurous.
Me: *more* adventurous.
G: Yes.
Me: You're right, this is the least adventurous club in Scotland.
G: Yeah, it should be more housey.
Me: er.
View user's profile Send private message
morgy
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:59 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 164
Back to my original point:

morgy wrote:

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that it is quite irresponsible of FIFA to allow south africa to host the world cup


"This week, South African AIDS organizations accused football's governing body FIFA of blocking access to condoms and HIV education materials at World Cup stadiums and fan parks.

"To date FIFA has not permitted any civil society organization to distribute HIV or health-related information," said the AIDS Consortium, the Southern African HIV Clinicians Society and several other organisations in a statement."

Source: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5651557,00.html

Without any references to apartheid, racism, or any other inppropriate straw-man argument, I invite anyone to argue that FIFA have behaved in a responsible manner.

_________________
why don't we go back to your house mr taxi driver, and you can sit on my face?
View user's profile Send private message
Lighting Monkey
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:06 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 820 Location: In the booth
morgy wrote:
Back to my original point:

morgy wrote:

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that it is quite irresponsible of FIFA to allow south africa to host the world cup


"This week, South African AIDS organizations accused football's governing body FIFA of blocking access to condoms and HIV education materials at World Cup stadiums and fan parks.

"To date FIFA has not permitted any civil society organization to distribute HIV or health-related information," said the AIDS Consortium, the Southern African HIV Clinicians Society and several other organisations in a statement."

Source: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5651557,00.html

Without any references to apartheid, racism, or any other inppropriate straw-man argument, I invite anyone to argue that FIFA have behaved in a responsible manner.


That article was published on 6th June. The week before the tournament started, so it would be interesting to know if the situation continued, which would be wrong. That said the areas outside of the stadiums eg car parks etc are outwith FIFA control, so any moves to prevents dissemination of information in those areas would not be their responsobility. From my experience of stadia, distribution inside the stadium would be difficult and unwelcome.

It's a little unlcear what they mean by 'block access' as well. Have they banned condom machines from the toilets in the stadium? I wouldn't really expect their to be big bins of them freely available. Similarly the education materials, have posters been banned or were they expecting to be able to have tables with piles of leaflets? That's just not practical inside most football stadiums. Not in a way that would be effective anyway.

This is clearly an issue for you, and it's nice to see somebody passionate about something. I just think trying to lay the blame at FIFA's doorstep for awarding the tournament to SA (who lets not forget mounted a highly expensive campaign to win it) is barking up the wrong tree.

_________________
Girl: I thought the music would be more adventurous.
Me: *more* adventurous.
G: Yes.
Me: You're right, this is the least adventurous club in Scotland.
G: Yeah, it should be more housey.
Me: er.
View user's profile Send private message
3underscore
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:23 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 190
Morgy should go watch a game with Mike Phelps

if they are blocking contraceptives it is very different than asking them to have control over the side industries that turn up in hosting such a big event.

I hope London take this into account and leave condoms all around the olympic village.[/url]
View user's profile Send private message
morgy
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:36 am Reply with quote
Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 164
3underscore wrote:
Morgy should go watch a game with Mike Phelps

if they are blocking contraceptives it is very different than asking them to have control over the side industries that turn up in hosting such a big event.

I hope London take this into account and leave condoms all around the olympic village.[/url]


Fuck off with the daily mail jabs. It's not about that, it is a public health concern, and that's it. I know criticizing South Africa is a sensitive area, but how can you not see my point? And if you can, why the inane drivel about the daily mail?

_________________
why don't we go back to your house mr taxi driver, and you can sit on my face?
View user's profile Send private message
morgy
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:04 am Reply with quote
Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 164
Lighting Monkey wrote:
Then I'd suggest that the increase in HIV is unlikely to be significantly greater (statistically speaking) than if the tournament had been held in any other country.

If subsequent evidence proves me wrong, I'll happily accept you were right.


"A 2005 University of Michigan study found that 46 percent of female sex workers in Johannesburg had HIV"
(http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/01/07/worldcup.sex.workers/index.html)

A 2000 BMJ study of sex workers in Sydney found that the prevalence of HIV in female sex workers was 0.4%
(http://sti.bmj.com/content/76/4/294.abstract)

Now I don't go to prostitutes, but I presume they are not the ones that opt to go 'bareback', and that decision lies with the client. When your clients are boozed up football fans, this mortal decision may sometimes be made under conditions where health and safety are not the issue.

So with that in mind, do you still think it is a good idea for the world cup to be held in South Africa?

Yes it's great PR for the country, but to be honest, South Africa has got a list of fucked up shit that is wrong with the country longer than a Leonard Cohen song, and a football competition should not be a priority.

One only needs to look to the President of South Africa, i.e. the one who got charged for raping a HIV positive family friend.

Or you could look at the Minister of Health, Dr. Manto Tshabalala-Msimang who decided to combat the HIV epidemic by telling people to eat garlic, lemon, and beetroot instead of taking retrovirals?

_________________
why don't we go back to your house mr taxi driver, and you can sit on my face?
View user's profile Send private message
barry
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:09 am Reply with quote
Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 547 Location: hitchhiking on the expressway to yr skull
morgy wrote:

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that it is quite irresponsible of FIFA to allow south africa to host the world cup when it is obvious that without proper enforcement of laws, a 16% population of HIV positive, and thousands of stupid football fans, it is obviously going to cause a lot of new cases of HIV?


I hold a similar opinion on the highly irresponsible decision to host the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow in 2014. The governing body of athletics clearly didn't think through the fact thousands of hungry track and field fans will be left to their own devices in the largest city of a country where poor diet is a huge contributory factor to the shocking heart disease statistics that are among the worst in Europe.

It's no secret that a good percentage of 100m hurdle fans are a bit thick and are likely to head straight to the nearest saturated fat house of ill repute, more commonly known as the chippy, the minute they arrive in town. Like lambs to the slaughter they''ll clog their arteries and most likely drop dead of a heart attack before they even get the chance to sample other fun Glasgow stuff the IAAF really should have taken into account, like a good chibbing or the delightful sectarianism-riddled footballing community.

For shame, IAAF. For shame.

_________________
One toke? You poor fool! Wait till you see those goddamn bats.......
View user's profile Send private message
hinterfeld
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:36 am Reply with quote
Joined: 21 Dec 2017 Posts: 1
Yes, now it will know who will be the next winner of football.

_________________
Best Online Aquarium Store
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
fbarraza28
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:35 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 25 Jun 2018 Posts: 1186
Pandora Jewelry
Human Race Shoes
Timberland Outlet
Nike Air Jordan
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora Outlet
Nike Store UK
Pandora Bracelet
Pandora Jewelry
Jordan 8
Kyrie Shoes
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Jordan 10
Air Jordan 14
Curry 5 Shoes
Air Jordan Shoes
Nike Vapormax
Adidas NMD XR1
Pandora Charms
Air Jordan Retro 10
Kate Spade
Timberland Boots
Jordan Win Like 96
Retro Jordans
Vans Sneakers
Pandora Rings
Ferragamo Outlet
Air Jordan 4
Nike Air Force
Birkenstock Sandals Outlet
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora Bracelet
Pandora Jewelry
Kate Spade Outlet Online
Kyrie 4
Pandora Disney Charms
Nike Shoes
Air Jordan 9
Pandora Charm
Yeezy Boost
Air Jordan Sneakers
Nike Air Max 270
Red Bottoms Louboutin
Christian Louboutin Outlet
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Pandora Outlet
Pandora Outlet
Nike Air Max 98
Pandora Jewelry Outlet
Air Max 270
Pandora Bracelets
Kate Spade Handbags
Valentino Sneakers
Pandora Charms
Birkenstock Outlet
Jordans Sneakers
Fitflops Sale Clearance
Jordan Retros
Adidas NMD R1
Jordan 11
Pandora
Triple S Balenciaga
Nike Roshe

_________________
This is Frank Barraza, very interesting in this forum.I am Self-motivated and I have a positive attitude with my career and goal,thank you.
View user's profile Send private message
fbarraza28
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:09 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 25 Jun 2018 Posts: 1186
Jordan 4 Retro
Nike Air Max 98
Christian Louboutin Heels
Birkenstock Outlet
Kate Spade
Vans Sneakers
Retro Jordans
Adidas NMD
Air Jordan Retro 14
Ferragamo Outlet
Pandora
Pandora Official Site
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Air Max
Pandora
Kate Spade Handbags
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora Ring
Adidas Superstar
Jordans Sneakers
Skechers Outlet
Retro Jordan
Red Bottom Shoes
Jordan Shoes
Bottega Veneta Handbags
Nike Shoes
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Nike Outlet
Louboutin shoes
Pandora Charms
Birkenstock Sandals
Adidas Yeezy Boost 350
Pandora Charms Sale
Adidas Yeezy
Valentino Shoes
Pandora Charms Outlet
Pandora Bracelets Clearance
Air Max 270
Jordan 11
Air Jordan 12
Fitflops Sale Clearance
Valentino Outlet
Timberland Outlet
Goyard Handbags On Sale
Pandora Outlet
Red Bottoms
Balenciaga Sneakers
Birkenstock Outlet Online
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Ferragamo Outlet
Pandora Outlet
Nike Sneakers
Yeezy
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Kate Spade Purses
Pandora Charms
Moncler
Birkenstocks
Fitflop Sale Clearance
Balenciaga Triple S
Pandora Bracelets
Pandora Jewelry
Nike Roshe One
Nike Outlet
Nike Outlet Store
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Fitflop Shoes
ECCO
Under Armour Curry 5
Ed Hardy
Pandora Jewelry
Adidas NMD
Pandora Charms
Louboutin Shoes
Yeezy Boost 350
Pandora CZ Ring
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora
Air Jordan Retro 10
Adidas UK
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora Jewelry Outlet
Longchamp Outlet
Timberland
Nike Vapormax Flyknit
ECCO
Air Jordans
Kyrie Shoes
Balenciaga Sneakers
Nike Roshe One
Jordan 11
Balenciaga
Christian Louboutin Outlet
Nike Air Max 270
Pandora Jewelry Outlet
Kate Spade Outlet
Human Race Shoes
Fitflop
Jordan Shoes
Moncler Jackets
Fitflop Sandals
Pandora Charms Canada
Pandora Bracelet
Pandora
Adidas NMD XR1
Fitflop Outlet
Birkenstock Shoes
Air Jordan 8
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Moncler Jackets
Yeezy Sneakers
Nike Outlet Store
Moncler
Timberland Outlet
Ferragamo Belt
Disney Pandora
Air Jordan
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Adidas NMD
Moncler Outlet Store
Pandora Charms Outlet
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Ralph Lauren Sale
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora Bracelet
Air Jordan 11
Nike Air Force 1
Pandora
Bottega Veneta Wallet
Jordan Retro 9
Kyrie 4 Shoes
Air Max
Pandora Bracelets
Pandora Charms
Pandora Charm
Jordan 11 Win Like 96
Adidas Yeezy
Goyard Bags
Kate Spade

_________________
This is Frank Barraza, very interesting in this forum.I am Self-motivated and I have a positive attitude with my career and goal,thank you.
View user's profile Send private message
fbarraza28
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:24 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 25 Jun 2018 Posts: 1186
Adidas Outlet Online
Yeezy Boost 350 V2 Beluga 2.0
Pandora Outlet
Ralph Lauren Polo
Kyrie Shoes
Nike KD 10
Pandora Jewelry Outlet
Air Max 95
Ralph Lauren
Adidas Sneakers
Red Bottom Shoes
Clarks Shoes
Adidas Yeezy
James Harden shoes
Kyrie 3
Longchamp Outlet Sale
Rihanna Puma
Coach Outlet
Pandora Rings
Longchamp Bags
Birkenstock Sandals
North Face Outlet
Yeezy Boost 350 V2
Ultra Boost
Moncler
Nike Outlet
Coach Outlet
Timberland Boots
Pandora Jewelry
Nike Store
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Nike Air Uptempo
Nike Vapormax
Michael Kors Canada Outlet
Lebron 15
Vans Outlet
Kyrie 4 Shoes
Birkenstock
Jordan 11 Space Jam
Blue Tint Yeezy
Pandora Jewelry
Jordan 11 Red
Adidas Shoes
Pandora Jewelry
Air Max 90
Pandora Rings
Pandora Charms
Yeezy
KD Shoes
Birkenstock Shoes For Men
Michael Kors Canada
North Face Jackets For Women
Timberlad Boots For Men
Curry Shoes
Yeezy boost 350 v2
Jordan Retro 11
Chaussure Air Max 90
Puma Shoes
Adidas Yeezy
Nike Shoes For Men
Nike Air Max
Fenty Puma
Kate Spade Outlet Online
Soccer Shoes
Yeezy Boost 350
Nike Huaraches
Yeezy
Goyard
Air Jordans
Pandora
Vapormax
Adidas NMD
Longchamp Handbags
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Air Force 1
Pandora Jewelry
Ralph Lauren Outlet
Pandora Jewelry
Lebron 15
Nike Air Max
Yeezys
Curry 4 Release Date
NMD Adidas
James Harden shoes
Birkenstock Outlet Online
New Jordans 2018
Pandora Jewelry
Jimmy Choo Shoes
Adidas NMD
Pandora Charms Sale Clearance
Nike Cortez Women
Moncler
Air Max
Christian Louboutin Shoes
KD Shoes
Kate Spade Outlet
Jordan 11
Vans Shoes
Polo Ralph Lauren Outlet
Louboutin Shoes
Louboutin Shoes
Ralph Lauren Outlet
Christian Louboutin
Kyrie 3
Air Max 2018
Red Bottom for Women
Kyrie Basketball Shoe
Coach Outlet
Adidas Outlet Store
Skechers
Lebron Shoes

_________________
This is Frank Barraza, very interesting in this forum.I am Self-motivated and I have a positive attitude with my career and goal,thank you.
View user's profile Send private message
fbarraza28
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:27 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 25 Jun 2018 Posts: 1186
Jordan 9
Moncler Outlet
Ferragamo Outlet
Pandora Jewelry
Longchamp Outlet Online
Fitflop Sale Clearance
Adidas NMD
Retro Jordans
Fitflop Sandals
Skechers Shoes
Air Max
Adidas Superstar Shoes
Jordan Shoes
Pandora Charms Bracelets
Nike Store
Kate Spade Handbags
Pandora Charms
Pandora Charms
Pandora Bracelet
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Adidas Human Race
Pandora Jewelry
Ed Hardy
Pandora Disney Charms
Pandora Jewelry
Pandora Bracelet Charms
Adidas Yeezy
Jordans Retro
Pandora Jewelry
Adidas Shoes
Cheap Nike Shoes
Air Max 270
Pandora Outlet
Balenciaga
Bottega Veneta
Moncler Coats
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Kate Spade
Balenciaga Triple S
Yeezy
Pandora Charms Outlet
Balenciaga Sneakers
Louboutin shoes
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Nike Air Jordan
Adidas Yeezy Boost
Goyard Bags
Birkenstock Sandals Outlet
Pandora Jewelry Outlet
Fitflops Sale Clearance
Pandora Charms Sale
Christian Louboutin Outlet
Goyard Bags
NMD
Kate Spade Outlet
ECCO
Jordan 11 Low
Pandora CZ Ring
Yeezy Sneakers
Moncler Outlet
Pandora
Jordan 14
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Nike Air Force
Pandora Bracelets
Birkenstock outlet
Pandora Charm
Timberland Outlet Store
Jordan Shoes
Jordan Retro 12
Pandora Bracelets
Nike Air Max 270
Birkenstock Sandals For Women
Pandora
Pandora Charms
Jordan Retro 11
Pandora Jewelry
Nike Roshes
Pandora
Red Bottoms Louboutin
Under Armour Curry 5
Fitflop Sandals
ECCO
Yeezy Boost
Nike Roshe
Kate Spade
Pandora
Pandora Bracelet
Kate Spade Purses
Nike Kyrie 4
Ralph Lauren Outlet
Jordan 8
Yeezy
Christian Louboutin Outlet
Pandora Jewelry Outlet
Air Jordan 4 Retro
Adidas NMD R1
Pandora Jewelry
Valentino Shoes
Kyrie Irving Shoes
Timberland Outlet
Nike Air Max 98 Cone
Win Like 96
Pandora Charms
Pandora Ring
Pandora Official Site
Nike Vapormax
Adidas NMD XR1
Air Jordan 11
Red Bottom Shoes
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Louboutin UK
Air Jordan Retro 10
Birkenstock
Ferragamo Outlet
Nike Outlet
Valentino Shoes
Timberland Boots
Fitflop Website
Christian Louboutin UK
Pandora
Moncler
Air Jordan Sneakers
Nike Outlet
Vans Sneakers For Women
Pandora Charms
Fitflop
Pandora Charms
Nike Factory Outlet
Ferragamo Outlet
Air Max
Balenciaga
Moncler
Pandora Charms
Pandora Jewelry
Nike Sneakers
Jordan Sneakers
Birkenstock Outlet
Bottega Veneta Handbags

_________________
This is Frank Barraza, very interesting in this forum.I am Self-motivated and I have a positive attitude with my career and goal,thank you.
View user's profile Send private message
fbarraza28
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 25 Jun 2018 Posts: 1186
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Pandora Bracelets
Pandora
Yeezy Shoes
Yeezy
Pandora Bracelets
Fitflop Sandals
Birkenstock outlet
Retro Jordans
Pandora Charms
Balenciaga Triple S
Jordan 9
Adidas UK
Nike Air Force
Jordan 10
Birkenstock Sandals
Ferragamo
Louboutin Shoes
Moncler Jacket
Under Armour Curry 5
Adidas Yeezy
Nike Roshe
Pandora Jewelry
Ferragamo Belt
Kate Spade Purses
Triple S Balenciaga
Human Race Shoes
Valentino Outlet
Pandora Bracelets
Red Bottoms
Valentino Sneakers
Pandora Outlet
Adidas NMD R1
Adidas Yeezy Boost
Pandora Jewelry
Air Max UK
Birkenstock Shoes
Moncler Jackets
Pandora Disney Charms
ECCO Shoes
Pandora Jewelry Outlet
Pandora Charms Jewelry
Moncler
Pandora
Jordan 14
Air Max
Fitflop Sandals
Pandora Bracelet
Nike Roshes
Pandora Outlet
Pandora Charms Sale Clearance
Fitflops Sale Clearance
Moncler Outlet
Pandora Bracelets
Vans Sneakers
Adidas NMD
Birkenstock Sandals
Nike Vapormax Flyknit
Jordan 8
Birkenstock Outlet
Longchamp Outlet
Goyard Handbags
Ed Hardy
Pandora Outlet
Air Jordan
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Louboutin shoes
Skechers
Pandora Jewelry
Fitflop Sandals
Pandora
Bottega Veneta Wallet
Moncler Jackets
Nike Outlet
Jordan 12
ECCO
Pandora Jewelry
Nike Kyrie Irving Shoes
Balenciaga
Pandora Jewelry
NMD
Pandora Jewelry
Kate Spade Handbags
Nike Outlet
Pandora Charm
Christian Louboutin Outlet
Pandora CZ
Pandora Jewelry
Jordan Win Like 96
Goyard Bags
Pandora Rings
Pandora Charms Outlet
Yeezy Boost
Pandora
Fitflop
Kate Spade Outlet
Kyrie 4
Nike Outlet Store
Fitflop Sandals
Louboutin Shoes
Pandora Jewelry
Ferragamo
Air Max 270
Pandora Jewelry
Jordan 11
Yeezy Shoes
Nike Shoes For Women
Jordan Shoes For Men
Red Bottom Shoes
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Ralph Lauren
Jordans Sneakers
Nike Sneakers
Air Jordan 11
Air Jordan Sneakers
Bottega Veneta Outlet
Pandora Charms
Nike Air Max 270
Jordan 4
Timberland Outlet
Retro Jordan
Kate Spade Outlet
Pandora
Pandora Bracelets Clearance
Pandora Jewelry Official Site
Adidas Superstar Shoes
Balenciaga
Air Max 98
Christian Louboutin Shoes
Pandora Charms
Air Jordan
Kate Spade
Jordan 11
Pandora Jewelry
Nike Outlet Online
Christian Louboutin Heels
Adidas NMD

_________________
This is Frank Barraza, very interesting in this forum.I am Self-motivated and I have a positive attitude with my career and goal,thank you.
View user's profile Send private message
aestheticaclinic
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:34 am Reply with quote
Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Posts: 1
Aesthetica Clinic offers highly effective skin rejuvenation treatment in Dubai that includes Advanced Fluorescence Technology, Mesotherapy, Stem-cell Therapy and skin peels, providing you with a youthful appearance. To know more about our aesthetic services in Dubai or to book an appointment, call +971 4 342 8383.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
dermalaseclinic
Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:07 am Reply with quote
Joined: 21 Sep 2018 Posts: 1
Clearskin is an acne treatment introduced by Alma lasers, which is suitable for all skin types & achieves a smoother complexion with lasting effect.

Skin Treatment

_________________
Laser Treatment
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website

Display posts from previous:  

All times are GMT
Page 2 of 3
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic

Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum