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<  Echatio  ~  Scotland, police state shocker...

Starks
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:23 am Reply with quote
Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Posts: 264 Location: Glasgow
Soo if you have heard, but over the weekend several artist due to play in Glasgow were all denied entry by UK customs. Skurge from UR wasn't allowed in for a gig on Friday at the Art School, Francisco from Rome wasn't allowed out because he had a messy passport, and Michael 'Sneak-Thief'(he is Canadian, but a resident of Berlin) was banged up in Dungavel for the nite & deported.

"Interrogated, Fingerprinted, Mugshotted, Transported, Processed, Detained, Escorted, Deported & Deplaned"

i mean wtf is going on here, is this promoters or the artist fault for not making sure the correct papers were in order.??....or is this massively excessive bureaucracy, when & how did things get soo bad?
UK immigration (and Glasgow in particular) is the most difficult of anywhere in the EU...

fuck this shit...

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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:03 am Reply with quote
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It's sounds like Skurge at least did a "Parrish" and told them he was coming to play a gig, instead of saying he was visiting friends (or some other activity that wouldn't result in payment).

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Starks
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:23 am Reply with quote
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yeah...i'm aware that you should just deny everything, as far as getting payed for a gig. But, can't these artist be just 'visiting tourists'?...you can play a gig, but not get payed surely...at friends birthday, a label invited you over to play..i dunno...lie thru yer teeth. ( is there not some agreement between artist & promoters to deny all knowledge of payment)

From what i understand from Micheal(sneak-thief) he was actually interrogated, they demanded to know the 'friends' phoned them up...stories don't match, your getting deported sunshine.
I'm mostly sure that customs all over the EU wouldn't have batted an eyelid at these ppl coming thro, and getting locked up in Dungavel for your trouble?/?..totally excessive

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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:03 am Reply with quote
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Well I suppose if youíre walking though customs with a flight case full of records, with no work permit, and you give a bad excuse, I think they would have to check it out. And when it doesnít check out, so youíre basically lying to immigration, then what else could they do but snib you up for the night?
Itís a bit shit, but itís been all over the tTV and radio about cracking down on workers from outside the EU, so the promoter should have checked it out.

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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:49 pm Reply with quote
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If you don't have work papers, you aren't allowed to come here to work. If you are going to do this illegally, it's a really good idea that you think out your stories and organise what the plan is. You don't just wing it. I don't think people realise how serious it is to lie to immigration. When you are crossing borders, they can do whatever the hell they want to you. Scotland is not any worse than anywhere else. It's just international law. Your rights go out the window. You can strip searched, left in jail, interrogated and deported without much explanation.

There are a lot of people who travel a lot and become complacent about this, but if you are going to work illegally in a country, you really should get your stories straight...or better yet, try to sort out a visa. It IS a big deal if you arrive without one and indicate you will work in any capacity.

And generally, the smaller the airport, the more likely you will get hassle. They have less traffic and less to do...almost any time I've had problems, it's been in smaller airports.

Although both Moscow and Tokyo Norita weren't very fun....


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stirmonster
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:18 pm Reply with quote
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it happens everywhere so i don't think scotland is more of a police state than elsewhere. but, bear in mind that glasgow is a small city with a small airport so it's a lot easier to spot a dj coming in to work illegally than say in london, berlin or barcelona. although it is a pain in the butt, it's really not that hard to get a work permit / visa. it has always been this way and is not a new policy - djs have been refused entry coming into glasgow since the early 90s.


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Constantly No Respect
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:41 pm Reply with quote
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I can't really comment on the other instances as I dunno much about either case. I do know that Francisco wasn't allowed to leave the country due to the nick of his passport (the pages were separated from the spine) it was a very frustrating situation, but at the end of the day, it's common knowledge that you can't travel on a damaged passport - I'm just lucky he managed to get to Glasgow OK and with him standing in for the deported Sneak Thief, he at least managed to salvage something of his weekend stuck in Blighty.

As Stirmonster said, Glasgow airport(s) are much quieter than any of London's for example - which is why I suspect he didn't have any problems getting here in the first place.

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Starks
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:31 am Reply with quote
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well I still think there a bunch of nazi bastards, i was pretty pissed at not seeing Skurge...then i started to hear about the other stuff.
I believe Sneaktheif has an EU work permit(which has been good to work all around Europe) when returned, the German authorities were bemused at his treatment. I guess because he is originally from Canada, this required some extra special British bureaucratic nonsense to satisfy the stiffs. wankers.


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Little Rock
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:23 pm Reply with quote
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This is slightly off topic but in the same general ball park -

The UK has introduced ID cards for non-UK nationals living here. I read an article by a South African writer in the Guardian, where she wrote of her feelings on being issued the card.

I know a person who is actually a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and lives in Glasgow, but who has not been issued with a card, or even contacted regarding the matter.

Is this not strange? Is it some kind of reverse racism? Or are Irish people not seen as a potential terrorist threat anymore?

Are there any other non-national residents on this board who have been contacted regarding this matter?

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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:35 pm Reply with quote
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Racism my arse! What planet are you on?


The UK is perhaps one of the most excessively politically correct nations on earth and your post is testament to this warped mindset.

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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:46 pm Reply with quote
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I feel certain it is NON EU, not just UK....

The EU pretty much has open borders for their citizens...South Africa is not part of the EU.

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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:13 am Reply with quote
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stanley_kubrick wrote:



The UK is perhaps one of the most excessively politically correct nations on earth and your post is testament to this warped mindset.



steady on now!

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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:14 pm Reply with quote
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If the UK was so racist, they wouldnt let foreigners in this country in the first place.

And a South African considering the UK racist because she has to carry a card is a bit rich considering what happened to all the Zimbabwean immigrants there recently.

What a load of bollocks. If anything, this country is too lenient.

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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:32 pm Reply with quote
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stanley_kubrick wrote:
If the UK was so racist, they wouldnt let foreigners in this country in the first place.

And a South African considering the UK racist because she has to carry a card is a bit rich considering what happened to all the Zimbabwean immigrants there recently.

What a load of bollocks. If anything, this country is too lenient.


1) you don't need to ban a race of people from your country in order to be considered racist toward them

2) it is unfair to consider all south africans (white or black) as being responsible, and thus accountable for, the rahceest treatment of the good people of Zimbabwe.
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stanley_kubrick
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:15 pm Reply with quote
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And do you think its fair to call a country racist because it happens to ask non-nationals to carry some form of identification?

I think its a fairly reasonable request to make. If you don't like the rules, don't bloody well come! Every other country expects foreign nationals to obey its rules.

I remember being in mainland China in the late 80's. You had to get an escort in a V W Camper from a local member of the party if you even left the hotel. Nobody moaned about racism or breach of human rights and all that shite. You just had to accept you were a guest in their country and respect their ways.

People just don't know how good they have it here. This is the most liberal, most tolerant nation on earth. Fact.

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